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Livingston · Jul 24, 2006, 01:13 PM // 13:13

So what would they be?

I know it depends on certain factors like play style and purpose, but is there a build that is considered to be the best for general use?

I currently have a pair of max damage gold zodiac daggers. I modded them with a barbed tang that I actually searched around for and ended up being lucky with a salvage from a purple pair of daggers.

The reason I wanted barbed was because my main is a warrior that I solo with and I really like barbed as I can hit and run without mobs gaining back health as I take a break to heal.

However, I am grouping with this character so I of course found that the bleeding doesn't help much except in the case of bosses.

So what else should I go for? I don't have a problem with energy too often, so I don't really care for zealous mods, though this might become an issue latter in the game.

Maybe Fort and Defense?

I'd like to make these blades the ultimate assassin daggers where I won't have to worry about getting new ones until maybe chapter 3.

Livingston

Caelus The Fallen · Jul 24, 2006, 02:01 PM // 14:01

In my opinion, Zealous of Defense, although any of the 4 variants possible with Zealous/Vampiric of Defense/Fortitude will work well.

Yanman.be · Jul 24, 2006, 02:08 PM // 14:08

Everthorn's Chakrams.

shardfenix · Jul 24, 2006, 02:13 PM // 14:13

For an assassin, the best mods are

Vampyric, Zealous
Daggers of
Fortitude, Enchanting

As are most other weapons.
The reason why sundering is not good on an assassin is because they don't do enough damage for sundering to make much of a difference.

Vahn Roi · Jul 24, 2006, 03:42 PM // 15:42

+30 Hp is worthless when your defenses are paper-thin.

Zealous [daggers] of Defense

Retribution X · Jul 24, 2006, 05:21 PM // 17:21

Shiro's blades FTW.

Livingston · Jul 25, 2006, 03:33 AM // 03:33

Does the benefit of a max vampiric mod really outweigh the -1 regen. I mean obviously you would ahve a different weapon set to switch to while not in combat, but do you really gain that much more health? Or is it the fact that you do the three damage regardless of armor and protections? And if the latter, is it really that large of a bonus? It just seems to me that 20+ mob's (especially in Cantha) HPs are so high that the 3 dmg per attack really wouldn't make that much of a difference...

Livingston

Ecksor · Jul 25, 2006, 03:42 AM // 03:42

i know you'll say sundering is nub, but i use sundering butterfly daggers of fortitude (i find that slashing damage does more damage than piercing) hence the butterfly daggers instead of dirks

impuls3d · Jul 25, 2006, 03:59 AM // 03:59

What i use is Sundering sai's of dagger mastery.
The sundering helps deal that extra dmg and the Dagger help increase the chances of Double strike and Critical strike.
I find it extremely effective since im an assassin who conditions(bleed, deep wound, poison, Criple) and also deal major dmg to any profession, I usually finish one character off(minus the warrior) with my skill chain and also have the ability to go on to the next one with enough energy. Ill get owned right away if i dont set up shroud, flashing and bonnetti's.

Maybe the +5 defense will help it? or should i replace the sundering with zealous so i can free up the bonetti's space?

Phoenix Arrows · Jul 25, 2006, 06:40 AM // 06:40

I have Ceremonial Daggers and Chkkr's Pincers.

1:1 Zealous of Fortitude +30
3:1 Vampiric of Fortitude +30

I switch to the preorder Daggers when I'm regenning.

Zakarr · Jul 25, 2006, 07:48 AM // 07:48

+5 energy
zealous
+5 armor

Shadowfox1125 · Jul 25, 2006, 07:53 AM // 07:53

Zealous or Vampiric

then

Defense.

Livingston · Jul 25, 2006, 08:21 AM // 08:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowfox1125

Zealous or Vampiric

then

Defense.

Once again, does the benefit of a max vampiric mod really outweigh the -1 regen. I mean obviously you would ahve a different weapon set to switch to while not in combat, but do you really gain that much more health? Or is it the fact that you do the three damage regardless of armor and protections? And if the latter, is it really that large of a bonus? It just seems to me that 20+ mob's (especially in Cantha) HPs are so high that the 3 dmg per attack really wouldn't make that much of a difference...

Livingston

APCaligo · Jul 25, 2006, 01:45 PM // 13:45

Well with a vampiric mod you're not only doing +3 dmg you're also gaining +3 health per hit...so yeah I'd say it's worth it, could give you some more health while you're killing. Combine it with Way of Perfection and get even more health when u crit.

Livingston · Jul 25, 2006, 03:24 PM // 15:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by APCaligo

Well with a vampiric mod you're not only doing +3 dmg you're also gaining +3 health per hit...so yeah I'd say it's worth it, could give you some more health while you're killing. Combine it with Way of Perfection and get even more health when u crit.

Yeah but a vampiric mod causes you to loose 2 health per second. So wouldn't it end up being that you only gain like +1 health per sec while attacking? Add that to having to switch out weapons every time you travel or rest, and it seems to me that one would be better served going for something else.

Has a number cruncher done a post on the benefits somewhere. Suppose I'll try to search for it after this post.

Livingston

Jul 24, 2006, 01:13 PM // 13:13	#1
Livingston Jungle Guide Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Edge of the World Guild: [L] [GET]	The Ultimate Assassin Daggers!!! So what would they be? I know it depends on certain factors like play style and purpose, but is there a build that is considered to be the best for general use? I currently have a pair of max damage gold zodiac daggers. I modded them with a barbed tang that I actually searched around for and ended up being lucky with a salvage from a purple pair of daggers. The reason I wanted barbed was because my main is a warrior that I solo with and I really like barbed as I can hit and run without mobs gaining back health as I take a break to heal. However, I am grouping with this character so I of course found that the bleeding doesn't help much except in the case of bosses. So what else should I go for? I don't have a problem with energy too often, so I don't really care for zealous mods, though this might become an issue latter in the game. Maybe Fort and Defense? I'd like to make these blades the ultimate assassin daggers where I won't have to worry about getting new ones until maybe chapter 3. Livingston Last edited by Livingston; Jul 24, 2006 at 01:19 PM // 13:19..

Jul 24, 2006, 02:01 PM // 14:01	#2
Caelus The Fallen Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Glasgow Guild: Voice of the Darkness Profession: E/Mo	In my opinion, Zealous of Defense, although any of the 4 variants possible with Zealous/Vampiric of Defense/Fortitude will work well.

Jul 24, 2006, 02:08 PM // 14:08	#3
Yanman.be Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Belgium Guild: [ROSE] Profession: A/	Everthorn's Chakrams.

Jul 24, 2006, 02:13 PM // 14:13	#4
shardfenix Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Il Power Overwhelming Il [HaX]	For an assassin, the best mods are Vampyric, Zealous Daggers of Fortitude, Enchanting As are most other weapons. The reason why sundering is not good on an assassin is because they don't do enough damage for sundering to make much of a difference.

Jul 24, 2006, 03:42 PM // 15:42	#5
Vahn Roi Forge Runner Join Date: Apr 2006 Guild: [HiDE]	+30 Hp is worthless when your defenses are paper-thin. Zealous [daggers] of Defense

Jul 24, 2006, 05:21 PM // 17:21	#6
Retribution X Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Check behind you again. Profession: N/	Shiro's blades FTW.

Jul 25, 2006, 03:33 AM // 03:33	#7
Livingston Jungle Guide Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Edge of the World Guild: [L] [GET]	Does the benefit of a max vampiric mod really outweigh the -1 regen. I mean obviously you would ahve a different weapon set to switch to while not in combat, but do you really gain that much more health? Or is it the fact that you do the three damage regardless of armor and protections? And if the latter, is it really that large of a bonus? It just seems to me that 20+ mob's (especially in Cantha) HPs are so high that the 3 dmg per attack really wouldn't make that much of a difference... Livingston

Jul 25, 2006, 03:42 AM // 03:42	#8
Ecksor Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: kkthnxbai Guild: Knights And Heroes [Beer]	i know you'll say sundering is nub, but i use sundering butterfly daggers of fortitude (i find that slashing damage does more damage than piercing) hence the butterfly daggers instead of dirks

Jul 25, 2006, 03:59 AM // 03:59	#9
impuls3d Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: front line guardians Profession: W/Mo	What i use is Sundering sai's of dagger mastery. The sundering helps deal that extra dmg and the Dagger help increase the chances of Double strike and Critical strike. I find it extremely effective since im an assassin who conditions(bleed, deep wound, poison, Criple) and also deal major dmg to any profession, I usually finish one character off(minus the warrior) with my skill chain and also have the ability to go on to the next one with enough energy. Ill get owned right away if i dont set up shroud, flashing and bonnetti's. Maybe the +5 defense will help it? or should i replace the sundering with zealous so i can free up the bonetti's space?

Jul 25, 2006, 06:40 AM // 06:40	#10
Phoenix Arrows Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: With many other ugly people Guild: We Are All Pretty [ugly] Profession: R/	I have Ceremonial Daggers and Chkkr's Pincers. 1:1 Zealous of Fortitude +30 3:1 Vampiric of Fortitude +30 I switch to the preorder Daggers when I'm regenning.

Jul 25, 2006, 07:48 AM // 07:48	#11
Zakarr Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: Finland	+5 energy zealous +5 armor

Jul 25, 2006, 07:53 AM // 07:53	#12
Shadowfox1125 Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: PST Profession: W/	Zealous or Vampiric then Defense.

Jul 25, 2006, 01:45 PM // 13:45	#14
APCaligo Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Feb 2006 Profession: W/	Well with a vampiric mod you're not only doing +3 dmg you're also gaining +3 health per hit...so yeah I'd say it's worth it, could give you some more health while you're killing. Combine it with Way of Perfection and get even more health when u crit.